Water On Fire Makes Scientists Burn (2024)

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When exposed to a radio-frequency field, salt water appears to burst into flame.

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When exposed to a radio-frequency field, salt water appears to burst into flame.

IT'S DRAMATIC, no doubt. Take a simple radio-frequency field, a beaker of salt water, a match, and voilà—the water bursts into flame.

This phenomenon was discovered by self-titled inventor John Kanzius, who had already made a name for himself designing a possible therapy for cancer that involves attaching nanotubes to tumor cells, where the tubes then heat up in the presence of radio waves and kill the tumor cells.

His new application for the effects of radio waves, involving what he claims is the dissociation of water into its combustible components, hydrogen and oxygen, is generating an even bigger media splash. News of the phenomenon spread like a virus through the popular online video site YouTube. And the phenomenon caught the interest of Pennsylvania State University's Rustum Roy, an emeritus geochemistry professor and an espouser of water structure theories that have been known to raise a scientific eyebrow or two.

The burning salt water effect appears to be genuine: The solutions really do ignite when placed in a strong radio-frequency field (www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGg0ATfoBgo). The flame looks like that observed in normal H2 gas burning, notes Martin Chaplin, an applied science professor at London South Bank University, where he ponders water structure.

But explanations for the phenomenon span extremes. Some say radio-wave-zapped salt water is a miracle fuel that could provide nearly free energy—the angle seized upon by some mainstream media. Others claim a routine plasma is being generated at the solution's surface. Roy and Kanzius are publishing results of their own investigation into the phenomenon in the journal Materials Research Innovations, published by Springer. The journal, which Roy founded, accepts papers on the basis of what it calls "super peer review," meaning that authors need only have published previously in a peer-reviewed journal. In their recent work, Roy and Kanzius show that the flame varies little with the concentration of salt in the water but doesn't appear without any salt at all. They note a strong spectral line of sodium in the flame, which is hardly surprising, observers say.

But Roy's explanation for the phenomenon is far from mainstream. Drawing on work by Juliana Brooks, an M.D. affiliated with a Maryland company called General Resonance and who holds patents citing resonance effects on matter/radiation interactions, Roy says he believes the frequency required to generate the water-burning effect is very specific. The radio waves required are only one-millionth as powerful as the infrared energy required for a primary O-H bond stretch in water that might lead to bond dissociation, he says. The radio waves excite very small resonances in the O-H bonds, eventually triggering large effects that dissociate the water molecules, he adds.

Roy says the effect is "pretty universal" and "has nothing to do with the salt explicitly." He asserts that international science and business groups are eager to determine potential uses of the technology.

BUT SKEPTICS say more conventional explanations should be easy to test. Chaplin suggests that the radio-frequency stimulation could generate a plasma at the surface of the liquid in which small numbers of ions might be entering the gas phase and getting accelerated in the field; they in turn could ionize vaporized water molecules, which could dissociate into hydrogen and oxygen gas, which could then burn.

Such effects are well-known in analytical devices such as mass spectrometers, in which argon gas is ionized to form a high-energy plasma. "But it should work for water vapor, as long as there are some ions in the gas phase," Chaplin says. "Clearly less energy is got out than put in, whatever the mechanism." But that does not mean the phenomenon isn't interesting or potentially useful, he says.

Others are decidedly unimpressed. Water structure expert Richard Saykally, a chemistry professor at the University of California, Berkeley, notes the possibility that a plasma could be generated. Salt water in a 300-W electromagnetic field "very likely makes some kind of plasma," he says. "But the efficiency of hydrogen generation is undoubtedly very low."

Saykally dismisses the invocation of some special water structuring, which Roy and Kanzius suggest might contribute to the effect. "I think this falls into the realm of pseudoscience," he says.

Philip Ball, a consultant editor at Nature and author of the book "H2O: A Biography of Water," acknowledges that the new paper is "straightforward enough." But he notes the phenomenon's potential likeness to electrolysis and wonders why the authors haven't addressed this point. "It is surely not so hard to establish how much hydrogen you're making this way and compare that with what electrolysis generates for the same power input," he says.

The American Physical Society's resident skeptic Robert L. Park, physics professor at the University of Maryland and author of "Voodoo Science," also has his doubts. "They make no effort to even estimate power output and consumption," he says. "Is this what science has come to?"

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FAQs

Does water make fire burn more? ›

Water actually makes it harder for the fuel — whether it's wood, brush or a building — to keep burning, Michael Gollner, a combustion expert at the University of California, Berkeley told Live Science.

Can water be hot enough to burn? ›

Human exposure to hot water at 140°F can lead to a serious burn within 3 seconds, whereas at 120°F a serious burn takes about 10 minutes. Because thinner skin burns more quickly, children and older adults are at increased risk.

What does the water do when a fire burns? ›

Water cools and smothers the fire at the same time. It cools it so much that it can't burn anymore, and it smothers it so that it can't make any more of the oxygen in the air explode. You can also put out a fire by smothering it with dirt, sand, or any other covering that cuts the fire off from its oxygen source.

What happens if you put water on a fire? ›

This means when we throw water on a fire, it absorbs the heat given off by the fuel, turning into a gas – water vapour – which prevents the fuel from being able to continue reacting with the oxygen.

Why water is more powerful than fire? ›

Water molecules are more stable than Hydrogen molecule or Oxygen molecule. The temperature of a common fire doesn't supply enough energy to split up water molecule. However if you can supply enough heat, water molecules does split up.

Is water stronger than fire? ›

Water is much stronger.

What is the hottest water a human can stand? ›

A child can suffer a third-degree burn in 124°F water in less than three minutes. Children and adults can be burned this badly in two seconds or sooner in 149°F water.

Can a fire be too hot? ›

If your fire still burns too hot after checking the airflow and fuel usage, you may have an issue with the venting. Once you get to the point where you see the warping of the appliance, you'll know you have overfired your fireplace. Though, at that point, there isn't much you can do to fix the damage.

Can 140 degree water burn you? ›

Most adults will suffer third-degree burns if exposed to 150 degree water for two seconds. Burns will also occur with a six-second exposure to 140 degree water or with a thirty second exposure to 130 degree water. Even if the temperature is 120 degrees, a five minute exposure could result in third-degree burns.

Can fire and water mix? ›

Water and fire are mutually destructive—water will extinguish a flame, just as fire will boil water away to nothing. The cold, dark sheen of the rivers temper the exuberance of the fires while the bright dancing flames enliven the quiet surface of the water.

Why can't fire burn water? ›

Hydrogen is flammable, but oxygen is not. ... When hydrogen combines with oxygen the result is water, where the atoms of hydrogen and oxygen are linked together to make a molecule with entirely different properties. You can't burn pure water, which is why we use it to put out fires instead of starting them. Q.

What fires does water make worse? ›

Class B Fires—This fire type involves flammable liquids, solvents, oil, gasoline, paint and other oil-based products. It can occur anywhere flammable liquids or gases are stored, such as a gas station. Remember: Do not try to use water to extinguish a Class B fire. Water can actually spread the flames even further.

What is a Class K fire? ›

What is a Class K Fire? The NFPA describes class K fires as those fires that involve combustible cooking materials such as vegetable oils that are used in cooking operations. These types of fires tend to spread rapidly and can result in injuries and massive building damage.

What fire Cannot be put out? ›

You should never use water on Class B fires involving flammable liquids or Class C fires involving electricity.

Can water stop a gas fire? ›

​ Gas Fire

Fires caused by natural gas, kerosene, propane or gasoline are categorized as Class B fires. These types of fires are caused by flammable liquids and best extinguished by smothering. Do not use water to put out a gas fire. It will only make the situation worse.

Why not use water to put out fire? ›

They are designed for Class A (wood, paper, cloth) fires only. Never use water to extinguish flammable liquid fires. Water is extremely ineffective at extinguishing this type of fire, and you may, in fact, spread the fire if you try to use water on it.

Does water help fire? ›

Hence, water helps in extinguishing fire as water helps in cooling the combustible material so that its temperature is brought below the ignition temperature.

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